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Agent Of Balthazar · Dec 12, 2007, 12:13 AM // 00:13

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Originally Posted by Sir Pandra Pierva

If you did that then those who got the stuff just to get it will cry and cry on and on about how they got robbed.

Well, I addressed this point in my original post. The people who got it the first time essentially got it for free, because they purchased other items in the store: campaings, skill packs, character slots, etc. They bought those, and still benefit from those, so they have nothing to cry about because they have those things they paid for, and got the BMP for free.

Agent Of Balthazar · Dec 12, 2007, 12:18 AM // 00:18

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Originally Posted by Drop of Fear

there's nothing broken in BMP.
there was a promotion, promotion ended 4 months after it started. plenty of time.

no no no no no no again
next time learn to read where it says PROMOTION and LIMITED TIME ONLY. u can fool yourself as long as u want saying "hey they never told us that was the only possible way ever to get the bmp" but ye u're fooling yourself and You know it

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...53&postcount=8

Apparently, you need to read that again. I fully understand what a promotion is, and I think you need to look at the situation a little more. The ONLY way they make money is through content, NOT a subscription fee. The PROMOTION was created to SELL stuff, to MAKE MONEY. Now, there is demand for the BMP (that is no longer avaliable), so as far as Anet is concerned, selling a product (that has already been made) that is in demand in the online store MEANS THEY MAKE MONEY, which is WHY they had the promotion in the first place.

EinherjarMx · Dec 12, 2007, 12:21 AM // 00:21

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Originally Posted by Agent Of Balthazar

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...53&postcount=8

Apparently, you need to read that again. I fully understand what a promotion is, and I think you need to look at the situation a little more. The ONLY way they make money is through content, NOT a subscription fee. The PROMOTION was created to SELL stuff, to MAKE MONEY. Now, there is demand for the BMP (that is no longer avaliable), so as far as Anet is concerned, selling a product (that has already been made) that is in demand in the online store MEANS THEY MAKE MONEY, which is WHY they had the promotion in the first place.

you snooze, you lose, sry, but if they do that i want divine aura in the store too

Agent Of Balthazar · Dec 12, 2007, 12:23 AM // 00:23

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Originally Posted by cgruber

On the same note, don't alot of people want the glowing hands thing from the collectors edition of prophecies? That goes for like $400 on ebay, but they don't sell it at the store.

I'm not saying they shouldn't make it available, just that I think going back on your word is the worse of the two evils. They sold it as an exclusive offer to get people to spend money in their store that they probably don't have to pay a ton of money to their publisher.

Retail store is probably a pretty small profit after the publisher takes their cut, packaging, marketing, etc. Online store = majority goes to Arenanet.

If they did release it in thier online store, it wouldn't be going back on their word, because the entire promotion was giving it away free. That was the promotion. It was a limited time offer, that the account was awarded a FREE content bonus, if certain requirements were met. If they decided to sell that independently, it wouldn't be going back on their word, because it was given away for free during the promotion.

And I'm talking about the online store, not a retailer.

Agent Of Balthazar · Dec 12, 2007, 12:25 AM // 00:25

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Originally Posted by EinherjarMx

you snooze, you lose, sry, but if they do that i want divine aura in the store too

So basically, your opinion is that they should say no to free money? And I'm not talking about a single item, or skill, it's a mission pack. I realize the bigger picture that you are talking about, because everybody will want other things in the store, but again, this is a mission pack, not items or skills. I think it could be done without creating an unwanted precedent.

EinherjarMx · Dec 12, 2007, 12:32 AM // 00:32

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Originally Posted by Agent Of Balthazar

So basically, your opinion is that they should say no to free money? And I'm not talking about a single item, or skill, it's a mission pack. I realize the bigger picture that you are talking about, because everybody will want other things in the store, but again, this is a mission pack, not items or skills. I think it could be done without creating an unwanted precedent.

They could do the same thing about divine aura and promotion items, i'd like to get the factions prerelease and the european prophecies prerelease, hell, i'd pay 40 dlls just for the aura and other 40 bucks for the chimeric prism but thats not going to happen, even if it means more money for anet

Agent Of Balthazar · Dec 12, 2007, 12:42 AM // 00:42

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Originally Posted by EinherjarMx

They could do the same thing about divine aura and promotion items, i'd like to get the factions prerelease and the european prophecies prerelease, hell, i'd pay 40 dlls just for the aura and other 40 bucks for the chimeric prism but thats not going to happen, even if it means more money for anet

Did you even understand my post? I said, I think they can do it without setting and unwanted precedent, because I think people can understand the addition of a mission pack compared to single items and effects.

Elentari · Dec 12, 2007, 12:45 AM // 00:45

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Originally Posted by street peddler

let this debate die plz, you didnt get it its too late.

Word. had your chance, why should they make it available again cuz ppl who didnt get it QQ about it (u really cant blame anyone else if u didnt get it)

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Loviatar · Dec 12, 2007, 01:03 AM // 01:03

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Originally Posted by Agent Of Balthazar

So basically, your opinion is that they should say no to free money? And I'm not talking about a single item, or skill, it's a mission pack. I realize the bigger picture that you are talking about, because everybody will want other things in the store, but again, this is a mission pack, not items or skills. I think it could be done without creating an unwanted precedent.

WRONG PERIOD

this is exactly about the super good weapon skins not the missions.

the avalanche of sell it in the store now started 2 minutes after the first screenshots were posted.

they want it only as a weapon pack so yes it is items not missions

Lady Raenef · Dec 12, 2007, 01:05 AM // 01:05

Want to know the REAL SOLUTION?

Shut up. Quit whining. Go do something else instead of complaining.

Unless the BMP is $30, I won't be satisified as a customer, knowing I had to pay at least $30, when everyone else gets to pay $5-10 because you're all cheap.

So, you read my solution. No BMP for you, end of story.

Swift Thief · Dec 12, 2007, 01:15 AM // 01:15

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Originally Posted by Lady Raenef

Want to know the REAL SOLUTION?

Shut up. Quit whining. Go do something else instead of complaining.

Unless the BMP is $30, I won't be satisified as a customer, knowing I had to pay at least $30, when everyone else gets to pay $5-10 because you're all cheap.

So, you read my solution. No BMP for you, end of story.

And why should ArenaNet care about that? I think that ArenaNet should put it on the online store because it will make them a little bit more money. It wouldn't be smart to not put it on sale in the online store because there are people who want to buy it (not me). It doesn't take any effort and it will make them more money.

Loviatar · Dec 12, 2007, 01:38 AM // 01:38

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Originally Posted by Swift Thief

And why should ArenaNet care about that? I think that ArenaNet should put it on the online store because it will make them a little bit more money. It wouldn't be smart to not put it on sale in the online store because there are people who want to buy it (not me). It doesn't take any effort and it will make them more money.

this would be chump change to Anets coffee box.

NCsoft owns Anet/pays their bills/cuts their paychecks.

what would be chump change to Anets coffee box would not even be noticed by NCsoft.

they would lose a lot more by people skipping the next promotion because they can get it cheap later in the store.

short term thinking on OP part

Agent Of Balthazar · Dec 12, 2007, 01:43 AM // 01:43

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

WRONG PERIOD

this is exactly about the super good weapon skins not the missions.

the avalanche of sell it in the store now started 2 minutes after the first screenshots were posted.

they want it only as a weapon pack so yes it is items not missions

Apparently, you don't comprehend my point. The person I responded to brought up the point that if they include the BMP, then they would have to include other items, such as auras. My point in saying that was to show the difference in the content of a mission pack compared to a single item like the aura. Again, people may want the BMP because of the special items, but there's more content in the BMP than just the items, so I hope you understand the context of that statemtent and my point that I was responding to.

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Originally Posted by Lady Raenef

Want to know the REAL SOLUTION?

Shut up. Quit whining. Go do something else instead of complaining.

Unless the BMP is $30, I won't be satisified as a customer, knowing I had to pay at least $30, when everyone else gets to pay $5-10 because you're all cheap.

So, you read my solution. No BMP for you, end of story.

Hey, go back and read this thread. The only whining is comming from people like you. I've approached this topic with not just from the consumers' point of view, but from Anet's vantage point also, and I've done so without even mentioning my personal situation. I've tried to come up with a solution that is acceptable for all parties involved, and I didn't start this thread like a whining kid, which is how you are comming across in that post. If you don't like the topic or ideas within, then guess what: don't post. On the official GW site, it tells people to direct any suggestions to fansites, and ya know what: this is and elite fansite, according to them. So yes, I will post if I want to suggest something.

And judging by your comments, it seems you are a bit upset having to shell out $30 for something that this thread suggests could be avaliable for less than half. YOU didn't pay $30 for the BMP, you paid $30 for items in the online store, and got the BMP for free, and yet you complain about the idea that it could be sold for a lower price? And you call others "cheap"? If you don't have anything to contribute, then avoid the topic completely, and move on.

Phoenix Tears · Dec 12, 2007, 01:54 AM // 01:54

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Originally Posted by Mr. G

Not an answer, If you were able to earn it via the store you missed your chance

I know it sucks not to have it - but it follows the same theme as the "divine aura" its was a Limited time thing

The only problem was for those who could not purchase via the store (Took me an age to get my card working

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- So offering it in the store is not an answer!

such an answer can come only from a selfish ignorant ********* sry to say that ...

Between the Divine aura and the BMP lies a BIG difference ..

1st: the Collectors Edition of Prophecies was MUCH LONGER promoted before the release of the final game...so people had alot more time to receive the info about a CE existing, that can be either preordered or be buyed later in normal stores....then Anet gave us time to receive Info about the BMP, plus now comes the important point ...Anet didn't sold the BMP over normal stores ..no they made it all only via Online-Story or they stupid PlayNC Accoutn crap, where players are even unable to link their game accounts with their playNC account, because this crap playNC doesn't accept the used Codes of your game account >.> really clever ANET *doh!!!*

2nd: ANET had really now god damn ****** enough time, to implement into their Onlinestore european friendly ways for payment ..the best and most simplest way to handle this friggin problem is a payment system..like it works on amazon.com/de ect. (implement shortcut for your country here)
Anet had 2 and a half year to improve their shit online store and nothing happened until today...now ..europeans get until today forced to pay per credit card..which they don't usually have in like 95+% of all cases, especially a big problem in germany, which is one of europes biggest parts of GW#s playing comunity beneath great britain, France and Spain, which all have the same problems with the shit credit card payment and thus ending up being unable to buy anything from the O-Store

and then comes Anet there with their brilliant stupid Idea to make the BMp and sell it only via the O-Store >.> wonderful marketing brains must these idiots have really ....

Then, when the BMP was clear for release, they had still enough time to improve the onlinestore ..but as said ..nothing happened ..ever were only stuff to hear ..that they test this..that they test then this ..but the end was...they brough us NO SOLUTION...before they implemented the BMP ....

would have Anet handled FAIR....what they AREN'T...then they would have had rejected the release date of the BMP to a later point...until they had first fixed finally the BIG everlasting issue about the stupid online store not being european friendly!!!! to release the BMP then, when really ALL have the same chances ..

the same chances as everyone had for any of the Collectors Editions ...
I personally preordered the first two ..for the last one - NF- i was a bit too late..so I bought it in a normal store....so the same chance had milion other players too....but for BMP millions of players had not the same chance, just because Anet being too lazy/dumb, to finally change the online store to the payment system of like it works on amazon....giving millions of players just simple not the possibility to buy something....so that they get the BMp unlocked ....

Anet totally failed at marketing with the BMP and now they have pissed of a big part of the Community...they made a big failure..now they should correct it...and should be just fair enough....to put the BMP later into the store or sell it later over normal stores ...btw. both ....
Than had all the ones ,which bought it over the onlinestore still the big advantage ..to play it for the given time FIRST, before the massive horde of the community which had no chance to get it before, runs it....
So players which got it first had then their advantage of getting unauthororized books and selling them for high prices to people, which have not the BMP..so that they can just trade them of for those bmp weapons ...

when later the big horde would run the bmp..no one would have anymore the advantage of seling these books for high prices...but the first players had it and THATS ENOUGH....be happy that you had the chance to make easily good amounts of money then ..but don#t be so selfish to grant others not the same gaming experice ...

its only a GAME ...and GAMES should be playable for everyone, also meanign all parts of the game and the BMP is a part of the whole game !!! its story based GAME Content ...

Divine Aura is no story based game content ..ist just only something you can have, but what you don't need to have, because it has nothing to do with the game and its story itself at all...thats a reason, why it will never be sold in the O-Store ....but there is no real reason..why the BMP shouldn't be sold later in the O-Store and when you pay your 25€ or whatever in Dollar ect. for it..than you payed in the end the same for it ..as anyone else, hwo got it first when the BMp got promoted ....

but really ...anyone in marketing job would be stupid to promote first something over months...advertise it over months in the own game...to increase the interest about it ..just to give it then to people over an inderect why to people, which bouth OTHER thigns for it ....when the marketing strategy would end up being much better by selling the BMP over a direct way by the O-Store...

anet has everythign, what they want now ..BMP is out..huge demand behind of of willing to pay/play it players, but which can't pay for it beign unable to buy stuff for it.... Anet would be stupid, when they don't fix finally soon the O-Store issue that stops europeans from buying stuff....

the european market is ANets most importants market ...because most GW playing peoples are Europeans....not like some may think ...Asians or Americans .. no it are the Europeans and anet is so stupid in their marketing stategy to kick US with this o-store issue bmp concept into the butts.

In one of the many Interviews with the Developers of GW..they even self stated, that the european market is their most important one, because over it they make in the end atm most of their money... and then all this >.>

all this trouble about the BMP would have been avoidable, would anet change finally only something really on their Online Store to make it european friendl and there is the payment system of amazon just the most best way !!!

Agent Of Balthazar · Dec 12, 2007, 01:58 AM // 01:58

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

this would be chump change to Anets coffee box.

NCsoft owns Anet/pays their bills/cuts their paychecks.

what would be chump change to Anets coffee box would not even be noticed by NCsoft.

they would lose a lot more by people skipping the next promotion because they can get it cheap later in the store.

short term thinking on OP part

I agree with that point, if I knew there is going to be more promotions with that amount of content. GW2 is in development, so how many more promotions do you really think they have in store (no pun intended) for GW? Other items in the store include skills, character slots, etc, but you think that the content release in the store could hurt future promotions?

Well, they have already said EOTN is the last major content release and they are focusing on GW2, so let me ask you this:

What is there left to promote for GW? If they came out and said that there will be no more additional content and special promotions for GW, then wouldn't you adjust your viewpoint?

Tyla · Dec 12, 2007, 01:58 AM // 01:58

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Originally Posted by Phoenix Tears

its only a GAME ...and GAMES should be playable for everyone, also meanign all parts of the game and the BMP is a part of the whole game !!! its story based GAME Content ...

well if it goes on online store i would not like it if they put the weapons on it.
that would be more /signable for me

Woop Shotty · Dec 12, 2007, 01:58 AM // 01:58

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Originally Posted by tyla salanari

this has been posted SEVERAL TIMES
/requestlock
please stop posting these threads

I think the proper way to do that is to click the red attention logo. Oh and yeah.. not this again!

Cargan · Dec 12, 2007, 01:59 AM // 01:59

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

short term thinking on OP part

QFT.

I'm a paying customer and would go out of my way to get something that is available in a promotion deal because it is a promotion. Giving it away for less that what people had to pay for the items to get it would be a kick in the teeth to all those loyal customers who played by A-net's rules to get it.

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Originally Posted by Lady Raenef

Unless the BMP is $30, I won't be satisified as a customer, knowing I had to pay at least $30, when everyone else gets to pay $5-10 because you're all cheap.

Exactly. Because if it's not then the people who fulfilled the promotion lose out. That is not how to treat the people who made the effort. A promotion is supposed to give those who fulfil the requirements benefit, not cause them loss. At the same time it would leave anyone who paid that much for it disappointed.

The ONLY solution to make it fair in any way at all is to have the same promotion for an unlimited time whereby one could get it by spending $40 in the store. This way the people who got it via the original promotion got benefit over those who opted out, and it would still be available via a similar method to ensure that people are not paying directly for the free content.

[sarcasm]A-net's biggest mistake here was trying to something nice for the people who use the online store. I hope they learn from their mistake and discourage people from buying the game from the place that makes them most profit next time.[/sarcasm]

Agent Of Balthazar · Dec 12, 2007, 02:08 AM // 02:08

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Originally Posted by Cargan

I'm a paying customer and would go out of my way to get something that is available in a promotion deal because it is a promotion. Giving it away for less that what people had to pay for the items to get it would be a kick in the teeth to all those loyal customers who played by A-net's rules to get it.

Exactly. Because if it's not then the people who fulfilled the promotion lose out. That is not how to treat the people who made the effort. A promotion is supposed to give those who fulfil the requirements benefit, not cause them loss. At the same time it would leave anyone who paid that much for it disappointed.

How is it a "loss" when the people who fulfilled the promotion have more than just the BMP? Not only did they recieve a FREE content bonus, but they have whatever they purchased, which everybody else who bought before them had to pay for and not get anything extra. Again, if one buys items, and gets a free bonus from a promotion, it isn't a "loss" when others can only purchase the BMP. Promotion = FREE BMP, not $30 BMP.

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The ONLY solution to make it fair in any way at all is to have the same promotion for an unlimited time whereby one could get it by spending $40 in the store. This way the people who got it via the original promotion got benefit over those who opted out, and it would still be available via a similar method to ensure that people are not paying directly for the free content.

I would agree with this, as the incentive to spend in the store would still be there, and the content that was created for that purpose could still be used to do so.

Drake Eleric · Dec 12, 2007, 02:35 AM // 02:35

If people can get it for like 10 bucks in the online store i want the packaging for EotN, booklets and all for same price, if not free.

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